Well I did find another program AltoMP3Gold which can convert them. Yes they are from iTunes, but I made sure when I imported them I set them without copy protection.
I did find AltoMP3Gold, but that needs to be bought...it only allows 5 conversions....but it did convert my iTunes made m4a files. I made sure that I didnt put the copy protection on them (pretty sure you can select it when you set up iTunes...also I have bought all my music on CD, not downloaded from iStore or whatever it is called)



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