I still don;t get how alot of mac fans refuse to believe that new macs are just PCs.

Yes, they are still designed by Apple rather than a big PC manufacturer like Dell, but they are still PCs.

Regarding the comment about apple using Intel processors for years, that is slightly true, because for some old 68k/powerPC macs (along time ago), you could get 486 (and Pentium I think) cards for them to run Windows/MSDOS.

As for Vista, he has a point. Maybe there is a lot of stuff in Vista that he doesn't like? I am still yet to use Vista and Leopard but from what I have heard of both Vista and Leopard, I would say Leopard is better. When it comes to XP and Tiger though, Tiger is quite nice out of the box, but XP can be made quite nice with enough modification. If there is something I am not bothered about in an OS, it is a snazzy interface. I prefer something that is more usable and basic.