What does Amiga 1200 (T) mean?

[Jasybee2000]

Hi,

I Would really appreciate it very much if some of you here who knows their stuff in the Amiga scene would clarify what the T would mean on 'Amiga 1200 (T)' when it reads like this as a main title of an ebay listing:

'AMIGA APOLLO 1260 50Mhz Turbo accelerator card for Amiga 1200 (T)'

Sorry for the nature of this blunt request but I am just trying to prove a point to an unhappy ebayer at the moment.

I would appreciate it very much if someone here could just point out what the (T) means.

Sorry if this is bluntly obvious to some of you but it has to be done!

Cheers.

J.

[Teho]

It stands for "Tower". It means that it's been installed into a tower cabinet, which is very handy if you intend to do a lot of expanding as there's much better space in one.

Of course, many e-bay sellers have no clue and will happily label things wrong. I'd want to see a picture or ask the seller if the 1200 really is a tower conversion before going for it.

[burns flipper]

The accelerator will fit in a standard A1200, there's no need to have it in a tower.

[Jasybee2000]

Hi again,

Basically what I am referring to is an Apollo 1260 card I sold on ebay recently. I stated on the auction listing that it was for Amiga 1200 (T).

Which I would of thought was obvious that it meant Tower to potential buyers. The listing also stated that it was removed from an Amiga Tower system. It also clearly stated that it had 2x32meg simms, and it also had a very big picture of the second simm socket that sticks out.

Anyway it was bought by someone in Italy for £364. Once he received it, he immediately filed an 'Item significantly not as described dispute on me' and as a result of that I now have a -£314 Pay Pal balance because there is a temporary hold on the amount.

He claims he wanted to put it in a standard A1200 case and because of the second socket and the fact that I didn't say on my listing that it was for a Tower only (Which I think I did!).

I think its absolutely ridiculous he's done this and it looks like he's trying to con me out of my board and get his money back. I told him that even though it wasnt my fault I would give him some money back as a partial refund as a goodwill gesture but now he's saying hes bidding on a tower case and if he doesn't get it he wants a full refund?

One minute he's complaining about it and then says he will accept a partial refund, but when I tried to make him an offer he came out with the excuse regarding the Tower case!

What do you think? If the worst comes to the worst i'm trying to get some unbiased opinions here so I can argue my point across to Pay Pal as I don't believe I am in the wrong. I've done all I can and at the end of the day I could do without all this hassle.

Here is the item that I listed that he bought so you can see my point:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=170256276202

Also i've noticed this board on eBay which doesn't even say Amiga 1200 T or anything yet it has the second socket so this one looks like its for a tower as well doesn't it?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=230293692717

Note that there is far less info on this than one mine? I don't think i'm at fault here. I think the guy should of asked me first what do you think? He was even asking me questions after he had paid for it, like what voltage is it etc?

Would appreciate your help on this one, as its going to be obvious hes going to try to escalate this to a claim to try to get his money back. I just want to try to show Paypal that he is in the wrong.

Cheers.

J.

One other thing:

Also would I be correct in assuming that if you removed the ram from the 2nd socket and broke off the plastic holding clips that stick out, this would then fit into a standard A1200 case?

It looks like it would be slim enough then to go under the keyboard. What do you think?

Thanks in Advance for your help.

Cheers,

J.

[burns flipper]

The "(T)" convention isn't official nomenclature, it's one that has arisen in the Amiga community since third party companies have created tower units. You can't really assume everyone will know what it means, they may also call it something different if at all in Italy. If you haven't specified it will only fit in a towered case (I can't access eBay from work) I'd say having the "(T)" in the title probably isn't enough. I agree that they should have asked about it beforehand if they didn't understand the term. And I don't believe he can keep the item under dispute - if you refund, he has to return it before.

[Buleste]

Whilst to anyone with any common sense and knowledge of the Amiga would know that the (T) stands for tower (although with it being in Brackets it could be misconsrued as working in a 1200 and a 1200T) when selling on eBay you should always list to the lowest denominator i.e. complete eejits who have no idea of what they're buying but they're rare so they get it anyway. I personally would say if you return the card you will give a full refund otherwise he can lump it. The ebay system is now so rigged in the buyers favour that sellers have to accept that sometimes things aren't going to go their way. The other option is if the buyer feels confident enough that they can do it buy them a angled SIMM socket form AmigaKit here and they can try fit that themselves. It still will not fit fully into a desktop 1200 but it would be at a better angle. If the buyer does decide for the full refund then try contacting the 2nd highest bidder for a 2nd offer so at least you get some of the money back (Just make sure that they realise it's for a tower system though before they buy).

[Jasybee2000]

What about clipping those plastic clips on the 2nd socket? surely then it will be slim enough to fit into the standard desktop case? Obviously the socket would be rendered inoperable and you would only have 32meg ram.

Can someone confirm that? As that would be an option for him. I know that the Simm socket connector is the same height as the 68060 CPU. So in theory it should work right?

The problem with getting it sent back is that he could do the usual hustle which is to contact his credit card company and do a chargeback and then keep the item stating that he sent it when he didn't. The problem with getting it sent back is that he could deliberately damage it with static electricity or swap it over with another one that doesn't work. Paypal wont care if it's DOA or not, but just that the item was returned.

This is such a nightmare. I now wish I had never sold it on ebay now!



Cheers,
J.

[Buleste]

If it comes back broken then you are well within your rights not to refund him. You still have rights over the refund. If you break of the clips then yes it will fit into a 1200 but as you say the second RAM slot will be useless so it would be pointless. You've offered him an out, Return and refund, if he doesn't take it or breaks the card then F*ck him. You have to trust that the guys just an amature who didn't know what he was buying and is showing no malice. TBH i think the guy is just wanting some money back because he realises he overpaid for the board which is his fault so screw him.