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Guess what game is due out on the soon-to-be-banned-before-release list???
:ninja: Manhunt II... on the Wii...:ninja:
check out the link...
Murder Simulator
Come on, Rockstar.. tell us this is an April Fools Joke...:nuts:
This is DEFINITELY on my shopping list...
I liked Manhunt 1 on the PS2, but it was also kinda brutal in many ways. Should be cool to kill with the Wii remote.
i hope you can hold a remote in one hand nunchuk in the other and strangle someone till there body stops convulsing and your left with a limp lifeless piece of flesh.:evil:
It sounds extremely intense :unsure:
I never did play the original manhunt. Was it any good?
Actually it was very good, and the possibility, that you could kill your enemy "normally" or in a more brutal way, added some pure fun. Nothing for kids under 18. But it's not beat'um up, but more stealth gameplay.
I personally felt that the original Manhunt got slated by the critics and shops unfairly.
It was one of the very few games that truly dealt with death in a brutally honest way. I personally find games that have you hack, main and kill and then let you move on without any feeling of discomfort should be criticised for treating death as something inconsequential.
Manhunt was never a great game, but it sure as hell had an atmosphere that was terrifying. If only more games could eat away at the player's nerves the way this game did, we might enjoy life that little bit more.
Personally, as a psycho-sick S.O.B. I will get Manhunt2 (probably on Wii) just because of the fact it could be fun, and very stress-releiving to play it.
:evil: Now where did I put that life-size Pikachu????:evil:
Woa....poor pikachu!
The first Manhunt was OK, but for me nothing in it was outstanding. Possibly Postal 2 was better, although that in itself wasn't all that great. The problem with this style of game is that it sells on the controversy and the hype generated by its brutal and violent content, but if not done perfectly is in danger of being a very flat experience that can quickly become tiresome.Quote:
Originally Posted by v85rawdeal
As for its release on Wii, the danger isn't so much the direct violent interaction between man and controller when killing an enemy. But more the danger is the lack of power the Wii has so far exhibited in 3D environments. Looking at the current releases of first person shooter style games on the platform they have all looked dire, even when compared to the last generation of consoles, and the framerate and modelling quality has been some of the worst seen since the PS1 days.
For me I'm baffled as to why the Wii developers are not managing to get more out of the machine. It is after all meant to be 2 or 3 times more powerful in the graphics and CPU area than the Gamecube, and yet so far nothing looks or runs as smoothly as most games I saw on the Gamecube. Can the interactive motion tracking of the new control system really be taking that much processing power away from the system? :unsure:
I really hope developers can prove that so far it is just bad development teams and the Wii hardware is not too blame. Yes the Wii is closer to the last generation than the next in terms of power and ability, but the last generation managed pretty well so, so should the Wii!
Will Nintendo ban Manhunt 2 before it gets released? Will Germany make them change the enemies into aliens with green blood? Will the American religious do gooders come out in protest and burn effigies of the Wii? Who knows? Actually who really cares?
If the game ends up being good and great fun to play then maybe, but if it turns out to be dire, then nope.
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Damn... Am I a prophet, or what!!!!
Ah well, guess I am gonna have to resort to getting the 'Pocket Guide to Murder' instead... aka the PSP version!
My plan to import this after the BBFC banned it has failed (It passed with an advisory 18-rating in Norway which would work fine on a UK PS2). It looks like Sony & Nintendo themselves have banned it after it was awarded a Adults Only rating in America (seemingly equivalent to a 18 rating in the UK). Apparently their policy is not to licence 3rd party games that are awarded an AO rating. This seems quite ridiculous. Nintendo I can understand, but Sony? Surely Adults can be trusted to make their own decisions. Imagine if the licensees of the DVD technology banned all 18-rated films?
The problem (in the UK at least) comes from too many shops/parents not taking the age ratings as seriously with games as they do with films and then mass hysteria in the media when a 13 year old kid decides to go and copy what he saw in real life and then say "they did it in the game, so I thought it was alright" (which personally doesn't wash with me - when I was 13 everyone knew it was wrong to go kill people in real life and could see games/films/books were just fantasy.) the fault is not placed with the parents for buying him the 18-rated game but with the developer for making the game.
I agree, after all, if you go into a shop and buy cigarettes or alcohol for someone who is under-age, you can get arrested.
It seems stupid that we consider ourselves to be one of the freeest (sic) countries on this planet and yet we have to be dictated to as to what we can or cannot play on our consoles. Rockstar themselves are not at fault, in fact, they could almost be applauded for showing some common-sense and not making the game on the PS3 or 360 (with photo-realistic graphics). I can imagine they are pretty p155ed off by all this themselves as I dont imagine that the game was cheap to produce.
It is just a shame that the media doesnt seem to be that interested in the story behind the game concept and just want to sensationalise the situation. Maybe what is needed is a good live debate on TV discussing the various forms of media-based entertainments there are and what should be banned and what shouldnt be banned based on a pre-determined set of criteria.
I for one can imagine a fair few books that would be banned because of their content. One book that comes to mind includes: incest, mass-murder, regicide, prejudice, violence and torture amongst the material in it... and yet it is readily available to anybody (including minors).
Mind you, if Rockstar cant legally sell it... they could always give me a copy :hmmm:... just so I could give an unbiased opinion. (As Rockstar's No1 fan, I can guarantee my impartiality)
A Song of Ice and Fire, I bet. :) And I agree, if they really care that much about restricting adult material for the younger audiences, they really should start putting age restrictions on books. They, and many comics also for that matter, are far worse than what passes for acceptable in movies and games. Allthough mature comics are usually marked with "suggested for mature readers" or something similar.Quote:
One book that comes to mind includes: incest, mass-murder, regicide, prejudice, violence and torture amongst the material in it... and yet it is readily available to anybody (including minors).
And hey, if that game really does make it out in Norway against present odds, we can probably work something out. ;)
I agree regarding books. Their content can be more graphic than anything seen in film or in games, but there is no age rating for books. Some of the horror books I read are far more descriptive of torture and death than anything that work be permitted in films. About the only printed age restrictions are for porn!
And the point about games and their age ratings is very true. Parents just don't seem to notice the ratings on games in quite the same way as in films.
I was in a local Game store the other month and a mother was in there with your son who looked about 12. They were stood right next to me and she asked him which game he wanted and to be quick because she was in a rush. He picked an 18 certificate game that I knew was quite violent and was rated as 18 for a reason. He handed it to his mother saying he wanted it and she just said OK and started to walk towards the checkout. She hadn't even looked at the game, just going to pay the £45 for whatever it was her son wanted.
I happened to join the queue for the checkout right behind them a few minutes later and so thought I would mention that the game was an 18 only game, and she quickly looked at the game box and noticed the age restriction, and then thanked me, put the game back and started to drag her son from the store giving him a verbal telling off. ;) Don't think he will be getting exactly what he wants any time soon. :lol:
And the age restrictions on games and films between countries is quite mad, as is the policies of publishers and console manufacturers. I'm just glad I don't live in Germany!
BTW, why not just chip your PS2, or by a swap disk, and then download the game?
actually the book I am thinking of is quite a bit older than that, and generally not found in the fiction section... Mind you, pinning down a single author would be impossible (although some dude called Gideon seems to make that claim), but between you and me (and the Old and the New 'hint! hint!') i don't beleive the majority of the stories.Quote:
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Ah, I think I get it now. It really does contain all of that, doesn't it. Not something you'd normally associate it with though.
ASoIaF does include all of those elements though (I also almost said 'you left out pedophilia'), and is a very popular bookseries. Each volume has been a best-seller so far. Don't misjudge them though, these books are good for other reasons than those elements. Even so they are there, and judging by the editions in my shelf, there's no hint of a warning on any of them.
Regicide has to be one of the coolest sounding words to describe a type of crime. If you're gonna go down for something, it'd have to be this - it's quite rare and would carry a fair amount of cachet I would imagine :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by v85rawdeal
Could a Presidential killing be termed as regicide?
I know many that would currently like to perform that act! ;)
Some hacker deleting your registry would be regicide.
That's more likely to be considered tyrannicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrison
Yes, that fits perfectly!
Definition: To be a tyrannicide the deceased ruler must be a tyrant.
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Or killing a man named Reginald, I guess.Quote:
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I would have thought killing a president would be called 'Pesticide'
Yeah, and in some cases it's called justice.Quote:
I would have thought killing a president would be called 'Pesticide'
That is brilliant! :lol: :thumbs:Quote:
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I would have thought killing a president would be called 'Pesticide'
On the subject of Manhunt 2, I found the following:
Looks like I might be getting the PSP version, until I get the PS2 Memory Card dongle-thingy-watchamacallit-doobryflip-didgeridoo chip!!!Quote:
Oh, Manhunt 2, will you ever step out of the public eye and stop soaking up all the attention? We know you were banned in the UK, then everywhere else until you were finally left left without a platform. We also know that it may well have been some kind of publicity stunt to garner sympathy and attention for a game which was, by all pre-ban reports, mediocre at best and relying on shock value.
So, do you think you could give it a rest now and step off the stage for a bit? No? Sigh. Well, hopefully this news item will make you happy then.
Although the re-edited version of Manhunt 2 is now being re-rated and the UK ban is being appealed, it looks like there may actually be a legitimate market for the full and uncut game after all. After a close examination of the laws, the Dutch government has announced that they can accept the uncut version of Manhunt 2 for sale in the Netherlands.
According to a report on Forbes.com, the Dutch laws are;
"based on the principle that every adult is considered capable of deciding for himself which games he wants to play, unless it contains illegal material"
What is counted as illegal material? Apparently only racist propaganda or images of child pornography, everything else is fair game.
In a letter to the Dutch parliament, Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin said there was no way to ban the game under Dutch law, but that it would theoretically be possible to prosecute people who distribute it to youth under 16 if its images were violent enough - though no such case has yet been tried in the Netherlands.
Minister Ballin said his department was now looking at ways to "better protect the youth" and he pleaded for a unified EU rating standard for computer and video games.
More importantly though, what do people think about having a unified EU rating standard for games? What pros and cons do you see coming from such a possibility?
That's potentially very bad if Germany won't compromise on their current position. We'll be getting green blood for everything. Having said that, Tory leader David Cameron said he'd ban violent games in Britain if he became PM, because of course they are a huge contributory factor to the number of murders in the UK. If that was the case we'd be better off with a unified EU rating. Either way, the PS3 is region free, the PC is region free and there are ways of making the other consoles region free so a watered-down version in Europe is not going to stop people importing/downloading the full version from elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by v85rawdeal
GRRRRRRR!!!!!
Right, guys, im off out to hack some people up, JUST CAUSE I PLAYED A VIOLENT GAME!!!!. Tommorow, im off out again, shooting people in the head, JUST CAUSE I READ A VIOLENT BOOK. Oh and the next day, you guessed it, im off out to gut a few people, JUST CAUSE I SEEN A VIOLENT FILM.
I mean come on, they all thick. David Cameron can kiss my arse, the parents should answer for kids playing violent games. I will not let my kids play any violent games, or watch violent films. The same happened to me as a kid, so my mother must have done it right.
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Ok, but don't forget to wash your hands before dinner.
Before dinner, you nuts, i wash them all the time. Dont ask, its just my thing, lol.Quote:
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Ok, but don't forget to wash your hands before dinner.
Unless he was counting the main course as the killing spree! ;)
I totally agree that video games being a trigger for violence is completely unfounded. It was first sighted as a cause in the US and we all know how grounded and logical they all think don't we! How many of them are currently denouncing evolution and turning to religion? A lost brain washed nation.
Sony making the PS3 region free was a good decision and enforcing a ban on violent games would just force smaller UK games retailers out of business as more and more people started to order games from abroad.
And I think the whole violent video games and films argument definitely sits with the parents and is their responsibility, not the makers of the product. If they are under age for a specific game or film and are discovered playing or watching it then it is bad parenting and the parent/s should be brought to account.
I often see in gaming stores parents buying any game their child wants. They often don't even look at the title of the game, let alone the contents or age ratings written on it. As long as it is within the price range they are willing to pay, their kid gets the game. And I think the misconception that video games are just for kids still sticks with many parents who have never been gamers themselves. Therefore some way of educating them so that they realise that games with mature content aimed at adults exist is the best course of action, not banning specific genres of game or adding stricter censorship laws.
This could easily begin by passing a law similar to Alcohol and cigarettes where the shop selling the product holds some age related responsibility and can be brought to account if they are found to be selling a product to an under-age customer. Most children wouldn't get to play the games if the stores introduced a policy or politely informing the purchaser of a violent game's content and age rating as they purchase it. I bet that would shock most parents into suddenly looking at the games and realising their content.
Yeh, what harrison said, ;).
My step brother works for Rockstar, and i cant believe the crap they go through. Best 1 was the grandmother who sued over the hidded sex scene in the game. Everyone failed to realise that she bought it for her under age grandson. Its like "HELLO, YOU FEELING ALRIGHT LOVE".
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:) You are now officially my bestest friend :)
Mainly because I am a huge Rockstar fanboy/mark/stalker/groupie [Delete as applicable]
Hes a graphics designer there. Worked on all the GTA 3 games and spin offs. Even worked on manhunt 1 and 2.Quote:
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Originally Posted by FOL
:) You are now officially my bestest friend :)
Mainly because I am a huge Rockstar fanboy/mark/stalker/groupie [Delete as applicable]
If your after info, trust me, i cant supply any. He keeps very tight lipped about any games in developement.
That clearly makes him a very good employee for them to have.
I honestly don't know how tight-lipped I could be if I was in that position. Although, I would hope to be a very trustworthy employee, but I am easily excitable!!!
lol, id love the money he gets paid, and the trips to rockstar in the USA, plus the plane trips he gets.Quote:
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What about concept art and designs not used in final production? Does he have any access to such things? I love seeing stuff like that.
Having been looking around the net, I came across an article that actually demonstrates just how much 'the land of the free' actually isn't.
Ahh, poor Disney...
It used to be a case of 'only in America', but not nowadays, I guess. Looks like I am moving to the Netherlands, then.Quote:
Critics claim the following:
* In the laser-disc version of the Disney co-produced Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988), there is a frame or two of a pantyless Jessica Rabbit, not to mention glimpses of her bare breasts. One must advance the laser disc frame by frame to see the sights, according to those in the know. Also, some graffiti suggests a good time can be had with "Allyson Wonderland," complete with Disney chairman Michael Eisner's home telephone number.
* In The Little Mermaid (1989), during a wedding ceremony, the officiator has an erection. On the film's video box, the portrayed castle has a tower that looks like a *****.
* In Aladdin (1992), Aladdin flies to Princess Jasmine's balcony on his magic carpet and attempts to win her back after a fight. Her tiger Rajah threatens him, and Aladdin tries to shoo Rajah while the Genie cracks jokes. Then, Aladdin whispers to Jasmine, "Take off your clothes." Her eyes widen.
* In The Lion King (1994), when Simba flops to the dusty ground during a poignant, contemplative moment, dust swirls skyward and spells out "sex." The scene occurs when Simba is self-exiled from his kingdom and is recalling an old incident that took place when he was a young cub: his father Mufasa telling a tale about the stars being former kings.
The American Life League (ALL), an organization that claims 300,000 supporters nationally, has led the criticism against those and other Disney products. The league is an anti-abortion group of the conservative, Christian Right based in Stafford, Virginia. In late summer 1995, the group called for retail and rental withdrawal of Disney's The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin. Many persons subsequently have claimed they have seen and heard the subliminals.
ALL not only wanted existing videos pulled from video-rental and retail shelves, it also wanted Disney to excise the offending video portions and demanded the company's apology. Tracey Casale, assistant coordinator for ALL communications, stated, "This is not wholesome family entertainment. Whether it's a joke or subtle, it doesn't matter. People have seen it". Casale noted that Christian conservatives have been more vigilant about Disney products since the release of the movie Priest by Miramax, a Disney subsidiary, in the spring of 1995. They did not approve of the depiction of Catholic priests in the film. Objections also were raised to the Miramax film Pulp Fiction (1994), described by Christopher Corbett as a film that "displays graphic violence, profanity, and crudity".
ALL spokesperson Casale said, "The Walt Disney Company claims to be a provider of wholesome family entertainment, but the message in The Lion King is not clean, it's not wholesome, and it is not fun. It has no place in a child's movie. . . . All of these movies contain something sexual in nature. You can't help but think that Disney is not what they have portrayed themselves to be".
You can see and hear what you want to often. How many people look up at the clouds and go "that one looks like a rabbit" or whatever? The person with them hadn't thought of it that way, "but now you mention it, yeah it does look like it". Same with backmasking, ask somewhat what was said and they'll probably not know, tell them it says something and they'll go "it does sound like that doesn't it".
You have to wonder if such people have ever actually enjoyed living. They must spend every day worried that something might not be as it first seems. Think they need to see a psychologist. Wait, that was in America so they probably already are!
We need an emoticon of the comedy eyes-popping-out-on-their-stalks right here.Quote:
In the laser-disc version of the Disney co-produced Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988), there is a frame or two of a pantyless Jessica Rabbit, not to mention glimpses of her bare breasts
Also, PIXPLS :whistle:
See whether you think these pics show what could be considered porn...
Personally, I would be more worried about some of the shows on TV than a four frame sequence in a movie.
Mind you, Finland did ban Donald Duck because he didn't wear trousers!!! Which could be the reason for the Scottish song: "Donald, Where's Your Troosers?"
And continuing on the subject of manhunt 2, did anybody see the coverage that Five gave it on the news yesterday.
In a 3-4 minute sequence in which, at the start, they said they would not show any of the footage, they then talked about what the game involved, the fact that the game could be downloaded off the internet for free, and why it should be banned (all in front of footage of the game being played in the background, they then, in the interest of fairness, allowing a representative of Rockstar Games a chance to put their side. Of course, he only had 30 seconds of time in order to put across some valid points.
Basically he said its down to parents to ensure their kids arent playing these games.
Such a wonderfully balanced piece by Five (a slight hint of sarcasm there)
five news tends to be poor and full of this Citizen Journalism crap where we hear "stories that are important to you" which tend to be stories which only the person sending the info is interested in. Sky News produce five news, so there may be a News Corp. agenda behind the unbalanced coverage (if you owned one of the biggest film producers in the world, would you be pro-video games?).
Downloaded from the internet you say? *twizzles moustache*
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Yes, but I havent been able to test mine as my PS2 isn't 'modded'... Mind you, I have only had it for about 1 month!