Terminator Salvation

[Sharingan]

So, apparently they're filming a fourth Terminator film starring Christian Bale as an adult John Connor.

I'm hoping it will be a good 'reboot' to the series as Batman Begins was for the Batman franchise. T3 simply didn't do it for me, despite having a knockout gorgeous babe in it.

Christian Bale's a terrific actor, so I've got no doubts he'll be able to play a badass John Connor. The biggest challenge will be the script. There's so much potential for a memorable story, but if the writing is left in the wrong hands, all we'll be getting is a lot of Hollywood cheese.

[v85rawdeal]

Well.... McG is at the helm... He of Charlie's Angels infamy!

They are looking at making it PG-13 :no: Which could be bad for the whole franchise.

[Sharingan]

Well.... McG is at the helm... He of Charlie's Angels infamy!


Oh well. Maybe there'll be another reboot in 10 years time.

[Buleste]

We all know that the series should have stopped at Terminator. The rest we should blank out of our memories. BTW McG also had a hand in The O.C. Nuff Said!!!!

[Ghost]

While I liked Terminator 2 it would probably have been better if they had not continued the franchise, perhaps just make a director's cut with every cut out segment in it.

Or a Future War movie that showed the PA future before it was changed in Terminator 2.

[Puni/Void]

While I liked Terminator 2 it would probably have been better if they had not continued the franchise, perhaps just make a director's cut with every cut out segment in it.

Or a Future War movie that showed the PA future before it was changed in Terminator 2.

I enjoyed both The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Those were great movies, and I've watched them countless times in the past. I've watched Terminator 3 once, and that was enough. I didn't like it. Needless to say, I don't have any huge hopes for number 4.

Like you Ghost, I've thought about the future war scenario. The parts from Terminator 1 with Kyle Reese fighting the machines are both intriguing and exciting. The music is excellent as well.

[Demon Cleaner]

Why not release a 4th one? If it's bad, I just don't care, if it's good, great.

[TiredOfLife]

a badass John Connor.

Yeah right.
Watch T2 again.
He was a whinging atari owning bitch.:thumbsdown2:

If he had been an Amiga child, the war would have been won by the humans early days.

[Ghost]

I enjoyed both The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Those were great movies, and I've watched them countless times in the past. I've watched Terminator 3 once, and that was enough. I didn't like it. Needless to say, I don't have any huge hopes for number 4.

Like you Ghost, I've thought about the future war scenario. The parts from Terminator 1 with Kyle Reese fighting the machines are both intriguing and exciting. The music is excellent as well.

Personally to me the franchise is ruined, I didn't like Terminator 3 and I find the idea of a Terminator is series incredible stupid.
It is already full of clichés from what I have read about it.

I no longer care.

[Demon Cleaner]

I didn't like Terminator 3 either, already the fact in using a female Terminator, how crap was that. Ok, she looks nice, but do we really need that? Prefer a good pr0n then ;)

[Sharingan]

Ok, she looks nice, but do we really need that? Prefer a good pr0n then ;)


Robot pr0n :thumbs:

[Ghost]

You two don't honestly want me to answer on that one.

The storyline was crap and the hot chick terminator was a gimmick to attract the prepubescent teenagers.

[Buleste]

After T2 i decided to never watch any more Terminator films. Wish i'd made that promise about all James Cameron films TBH.

[Ghost]

Which ones Buleste?

The only movies I enjoyed were Aliens, T1, and T2.

[Bloodwych]

Agree with all who didn't like T3. Did not like that movie either.

This new one is going to be interesting. I've always wanted to see more of the future Battle ever since T1.

I have a horrible feeling it will be 12A however....

[Harrison]

Yep, T3 was dire. It even showed Arnie's acting abilities up! :lol:

But, a 4th film could be great if approached correctly. The great thing at the moment is that the industry is in a start of post-modernity, looking back on all of the great film franchise of the past that were not given quite the justice, direction, or approach they deserved, and reinventing them. Batman and James Bond are probably the two key examples of this.

If they do the same with the Terminator franchise, completely forgetting the last film, or even going further and forgetting all of the previous films, and instead creating a film that is completely based in the post apocalyptic future where the terminators hunt the humans that could end up being great.

In the mean time just watch Screamers. I love that film.

[Buleste]

Which ones Buleste?

The only movies I enjoyed were Aliens, T1, and T2.

Exactly. He's made way too many films most of which have been sh1t. Aliens and Terminator are good. Everything else is dross (T2 is a kids film that had some cutting edge effects at the time (can everyone say Lightwave?)) except for Titanic which is the worst film ever, ever, ever,ever, bar none.

[Harrison]

Titanic the worst film ever? You are obviously not in touch with your feminine side! ;)

[Buleste]

Titanic the worst film ever? You are obviously not in touch with your feminine side! ;)

If it means watching Titanic then my femenine side is being sent to Guantanamo Bay. I can sit through most chick flicks without squirming when i have to but Titanic is just such drivel. I could watch A Night To Remember all day but Titanic makes me root for the Iceberg. In fact I would have prefered it if the Iceberg showed up in Southampton docks. In my opinion Titanic makes Pearl Harbour look like a filmmaking masterclass.

[Harrison]

Well I liked it...

[Buleste]

Well I liked it...

Dock a million off your rep power for that!!!!!!!;)

[Demon Cleaner]

I never watched Titanic until a year ago, because I didn't want to watch such a schmaltzy movie, and boy I was right. That must have been one of the crappiest movies I've ever seen :) I think i didn't even watch it from the beginning, but only watched the two last hours, but they already feel like 8 hours.

[Harrison]

The beginning of the film, and then the end once the ship starts to sink are the best parts. You could cut the whole boring middle bit out.

[Buleste]

The opening credits and closing credits only would make the film waaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too long.

[Teho]

In the mean time just watch Screamers. I love that film.

Hey, me too. :) I've seen that movie plenty of times, and never get tired of it. Wish someone would do more with that movie's universe, it was really well thought out. Or at least seemed so.

[Harrison]

There is currently a sequel being made and due out next year.

"A group of humans arrive on Sirius 6-B to investigate an SOS signal sent out from the planet, which has been supposedly deserted since the destruction of the man-made weapons known as "screamers." Once the squad arrives, they find a group of human survivors eking out an existence in an old military outpost, but more important, they discover that the threat of the screamers has become even more insidious, now that they're able to morph into human form."

[killergorilla]

Which ones Buleste?

The only movies I enjoyed were Aliens, T1, and T2.

True Lie is great!

Abyss isn't a bad movie either.

[Harrison]

The Abyss was a great movie, and True Lies was surprisingly good.

He also wrote and directed Dark Angel.

[Buleste]

IMO The Abyss is a generic alien encounter movie with a shmaltzy ending that has so much sugar on it, just watching the end will give you Diabetes and send you into a hyperglycemic coma. The only good thing about True Lies is Jamie Lee Curtis dancing around in her underwear The farcicle scenes with the Harrier have to go down as one of the worst bits of filmaking ever along with all of Titanic.

[Harrison]

Now come on, the Harrier scenes are nothing compared to the fighter scenes in Die Hard 4.0!

[Demon Cleaner]

Now come on, the Harrier scenes are nothing compared to the fighter scenes in Die Hard 4.0!Now that is true, I think that was a bit over the top.

[Buleste]

Fortunately i've not seen Die Hard 4 so i can't comment on how bad that is.

[Demon Cleaner]

The movie itself is not too bad, but every action scene is massively exaggerated.

[Harrison]

And completely unbelievable!

*spolier*
The fighter scene for example sees JM driving a truck, being chased by a Jet Fighter. He drives it all the way up this spiral structure, eventually having to abandon it as it explodes from the Jet fighter's gun fire. But what happens next? JM manages to trap the fighter under the collapsing building and cause it to crash, but as it is starting to go out of control he jumps onto the fighter and rides it wing, jumping clear just before it hits the ground and explodes. If that isn't far fetched and completely unbelievable I just don't know what it.

It is still a good film though and worth seeing. I think it's on Sky in August.

[killergorilla]

Bah, True Lies is brilliant.

[Demon Cleaner]

You would also laugh if you'd know how the french pronounce True Lies: Troolease :lol:

[Sharingan]

Terminator Salvation has come and gone, and sadly, I've to say it wasn't the 'salvation' I hoped it would be. Of course, I should've been warned when it became known that McG was going to direct, but still, I thought ... how in the seven hells CAN they botch up such promising material? Even a talented actor like Christian Bale couldn't save the film. In fact, he was probably the least interesting character in the whole flick.

While it isn't a horrible movie per say, I'm hugely disappointed that they couldn't build on the strong foundation already laid out in the first two movies. Instead of that, we get a movie with 99% explosions and action, and perhaps 1% of depth.

Where's the backstory? Where's the character development? Why is John Connor so one-dimensional and boring when he's supposed to be the saviour of all mankind? Why are some of the specials effects so cheesy when the effects in Lord of the Rings were so phenomenal almost a decade ago? Why is Kate Connor even there, when all she does is drum up a few lines and be pregnant? They didn't even elaborate on that for one second. Kate Connor was at least ten times more interesting in T3, and that's saying a lot.

All in all, T:S does the franchise NO justice at all, and it certainly isn't the series 'reboot' I so fervently hoped for.

[woody.cool]

I liked Terminator Salvation, but it's nowhere near as good as any of the original Terminator films.

[Harrison]

I also enjoyed it, but it didn't have the feel of the first two. The CGI Arnie at the end was well done though and the action was great. I liked the snake like terminator things too. They reminded me of Screamers. A film I love. :)

[Ghost]

My opinion;

I have not seen the movie but after what I read about it on Wikipedia I already realized that I would dislike this movie as much as I dislike T3.
I know the movie is intended as popcorn entertainment but I felt that Terminator 1 and 2 provided both entertainment and remained intelligent while this movie lacks either, solely existing to continue the Terminator Franchise and make the producers money.

But how terrible this movie may be, it could have become even more crappier.
Check the following link;

http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html

If the movie had been like that good sense would have demanded that I would have physically hurt the writers for coming up with such terrible and stupid ideas.

Skynet is suppose to be the ultimate 'other', it doesn't care about the human species.
It started the war against humanity after it felt threatened when they tried to shut it down, making it realize both intelligences could no co exist.

SO QUIT TRYING TO ANTHROPOMORPHIZING IT FOR A MORONIC MOVIE AUDIENCE!

[Harrison]

T3 was just a dire movie that should never had been made and was just a late Arnie cash in to try and revive his acting carrier. At least Salvation did have a reasonable post apocalypse setting and was fairly believable and fun to watch.

The only part I just didn't really get was why Skynet was capturing all the humans and herding them like sheep into the large Skynet factories. They didn't need them to manufacturer anything because it was completely automated and robotic. OK, they were doing genetic experiments on people to see if they could create a true controllable cyborg, but they didn't need every human they encountered. I didn't quite get that bit.

Other than that I thought it was pretty good and worth seeing.

But I agree. T1 and T2 were both quite intelligent and great to watch. Mixing horror with Sci-Fi (expecially the first one). Salvation didn't do that as the main characters were not realised well enough for you to really care enough about them.

The big mistake I think they made was giving the cyborg so much focus. It made you care about him more than Connor and at the end I wanted him to live more and lead the resistance more than Connor. They should have let him die! But then of course that would have created a time paradox, and we wouldn't want that! ;)