no more Gasoline in Portugal

[Tiago]

:owned:

Today, gasoline will be over...
last gas stations are selling the last liters of gasoline, tomorrow will be no more.

This is getting very serious :mad:
What a fxxx is happening ?

With no gasoline/fuel will be caos...

[JLPedro]

I still have the chance to use my Clio 1.9d with used vegetable oil!! :nuts: ,it was running 70% diesel and 30% vegetal oil, but now i think it will be more likely to be 100% vegetal used oil.... :whistle:

[Harrison]

We haven't had anything on our News in the UK about fuel shortages in Portugal. I just had to look it up after reading this topic. How long has the fuel strike been going on there?

And from what I just read there is also a fuel strike in Spain. Is that right?

@JLPedro Have you had your Clio converted over properly to run vegetable Oil?

What is the strike about? Is it because of the current price of fuel at petrol stations? Or is it something else?

In the UK I am surprised we haven't had a strike yet. About 7 years we had a country wide strike due to fuel prices because they went over £1 per litre. But now the petrol prices are about £1.17 per litre for petrol and £1.30 per litre for diesel, but no one has said anything about the prospect of a strike.

There has been talk of an Esso only strike that could take place this Friday. But this is over a pay dispute between the Shell tanker drivers and Esso. Nothing to do with fuel prices.

And our prices are getting really bad. I filled my car up with £30 of petrol yesterday and it only gave me 25 litres of petrol. In comparison only last year I was getting 30 litres of fuel for the same price. Something has to be done about this because these prices are shooting up way beyond inflation rates and I just don't understand why. Why is a barrel of crewed oil now so expensive? The actual oil/petroleum companies are making record profits! Yo could understand it if this wasn't the case and they had to raise prices due to overstretched demand, but this just isn't the case at all.

Some sight the unstable situation in the middle east as being the main factor in the price increase of a barrel of oil. But this isn't true. Production and supply of oil is perfectly fine. The price is being driven up by political and speculator factors, and the oil companies are taking full advantage of this situation as it is a sellers market at the moment. Everyone needs oil and so they have to pay the price whatever it might be. The governments of the world have to do something about this. Surely a company can't suddenly raise the price of oil so much, sighting unrest in the middle east and the uncertainty of supply as the main reason, but then at the same time post profits that are 70% higher than the previous year!

[AlexJ]

We haven't had anything on our News in the UK about fuel shortages in Portugal. I just had to look it up after reading this topic. How long has the fuel strike been going on there?

It was on the news this evening (Channel4 at least). Sounds like it's got very violent in places.


Something has to be done about this because these prices are shooting up way beyond inflation rates and I just don't understand why. Why is a barrel of crewed oil now so expensive? The actual oil/petroleum companies are making record profits! Yo could understand it if this wasn't the case and they had to raise prices due to overstretched demand, but this just isn't the case at all. Is it just greed?

Yep - the whole world is reliant on the product so they can charge whatever the feel like and people have no option but to pay.

[toomanymikes]

The fuel crisis is becoming a very real event. I cant help but thinking that the price is artificailly high at the moment - there has been no shortage in production and there are no big global events happening now that have not been happening for that last few years. Yes, China and India's economies are booming but they have been for years now, and to cite this as a reason for the massive rise in the last few months makes no sense whatsoever. Its funny cos the govournment seems reticent to change this - something I find incredible especially since in britian tax accounts for approx 60% of the cost. I would be interested to see what happens in Portugal if all the fuel runs out for a few days - even if it eventually happens here too. If everyone is in the same situation then what will happen - will we all resort to cycling to work? I cant see me taking on the 4 mile long hill then 5 mile hike on busy roads to my work every morning. Home working may be the answer or perhaps a return to the 3 day week of the 80's is on the horizon!

[JLPedro]

No need for convertion, its an 1998 clio 1 Phase 2 with fuel injector pump, only needs to make convertion common Rail diesel engines with turbo (dci, tdi, hdi etc...) :D

[Harrison]

For many getting to work without their car would be a physical impossibility. I for example have to travel over 20 miles to get to my place of work and this is on a motorway. If I had to do that journey using A roads and back roads then the distance would be much longer. There is no way anyone could expect me to cycle this far to work.

And what will happen to public transport if this shortage happens? Will they also run out of fuel? Or do they have supplies from other sources?

[Harrison]

No need for convertion, its an 1998 clio 1 Phase 2 with fuel injector pump, only needs to make convertion common Rail diesel engines with turbo (dci, tdi, hdi etc...) :D

So if you get an older diesel car without a turbo you can just run pure vegetable oil without any problems? Interesting.

Do you have to do anything to the used oil before you can put it into the car? Filter it for example to remove any particles/food?

[Tiago]

Well Harrison, there's strikes and blocades, the truck drivers have their trucks stoped at borders and dont allow anyone to pass...:blink: i think they let go medical stuff only, but is not only in Portugal, France have a similar situation.

I just read now that in Portugal goverment and truck drivers reach a deal... so maybe the blocade will end here in PT, but in France will keep going i think

[Harrison]

I find it strange that we haven't had wider coverage of this in our news.

[Tiago]

I find it strange that we haven't had wider coverage of this in our news.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7447869.stm


taken from yahoo news, this one:

In Portugal, two truck drivers also suffered burns in similar incidents in Santarem, north of Lison.

Portuguese police stepped up patrols after a striker manning a picket line north of Lisbon was run over and killed by a lorry on Tuesday.

Police escorted about 40 oil trucks to petrol stations around Lisbon and the western town of Setubal. Strikers had prevented the trucks from leaving a warehouse north of the capital.

Long queues formed at many petrol stations, some of which were out of supplies.

The Portuguese truckers vowed to step up their blockades Wednesday, particularly in the north of the country, where they plan to seal off the port of Leixos as well as supermarket warehouses.

Several supermarket chains have already expressed concern over the shortage of fresh products, especially milk.

[JLPedro]

I think there's not been much talk about this crise in portugal because most of the world thinks Portugal is a part of Spain... :nuts: .

And by the way, yes you need to filter the oil very well, and using 100% of vegetable oil is very risky, the maximum i would risk in summer days (more heat the better) would be 40% diesel and 60% Veg oil.

[Zetr0]

The future is HHO my friends.....

[Buleste]

There are some fuel strikes to hit the U.K. soon. Not for any moral reason like the high price of fuel but because the oil companies are making such vast profits yet aren't passing it down to the workers. And of course panic buying is setting in as once again the British go in headless chicken mode.

[AlexJ]

There are some fuel strikes to hit the U.K. soon. Not for any moral reason like the high price of fuel but because the oil companies are making such vast profits yet aren't passing it down to the workers. And of course panic buying is setting in as once again the British go in headless chicken mode.

Was in a fuel station yesterday (because the needle was at 'E' not because I was panic buying ;) ) and thought it quite amusing that the most prominently displayed newspaper in front of the kiosk building had the headline in giant letters "PANIC STATIONS":

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1687615.jpg

Yep, that'll calm everyone down.

[Buleste]

Ah the good old British media. Adding fuel to the fires of paranoia for hundreds of years.

[Tiago]

Everything is backing up to normal, we now have fuel again.
But is was complicated, no fuel for 2 days, left to a break down in products on the supermarket, and a bit of everything that needs transportation...
But now looks like is getting back to normal.

[Sharingan]

It's time to harness the power of dilithium crystals and anti-matter!

Seriously, whether oil production is still going strongly or not, the supplies will eventually dry out. My conspiracy theory is that governments and oil companies actually do have access to alternative and viable other sources of fuel already, but, in order to milk profits from oil to the very last drop, they just aren't going to reveal anything until the last moment.

[Harrison]

I also think this. If they wanted too they could easily accelerate the development of alternative power sources or fuel, but due to the huge amount of money the oil industry makes they are never going to start putting serious money into the development of something that would in effect cause them to lose more. Much like tobacco and alcohol. While the governments are making so much money from them they won't get banned.

[Buleste]

Don't forget the political impact it would have on all oil producing countries if oil became useless. Imagine Russia having most of it's income erradicated by alternative power or Iran and Iraq. World go BOOOM!!!!

[Harrison]

Very good point. The instant removal of the need for oil would dramatically shift the world super powers, both politically and financially. But this could work both in favour of the world as a whole, or equally it could completely destabilise everything.

However I think third world countries would still continue being oil based and mass polutors, while the west would start to shift over to other energy sources and the divide between third world and western countries would increase.

[Buleste]

The greatest problem is that some of the countries who rely on oil are also nuclear powers or are in areas that are vulnerable to radical politics and destabilising their economies could lead to extremists gaining power. The gap between rich and poor countries growing would only increase this likelyhood. This would probably then lead to terrorist attacks that would make 9/11, 7/7 and the Madrid train bombings look like fireworks parties. If efficient alternative energy supplies were invented then a global areement to share the technology would be needed and lets face it that would be impossible.

[TiredOfLife]

The terror brigade might find some of their current tactics a tad obsolete when the oil has one for a burton.

Britain is best when it comes to a crisis.
It's all about heads.

A fair percentage loose their heads and panic buy way more than they need, leaving empty petrol stations all round the country.
Normal people then can't get any fuel.

Meanwhile the government have got their heads alright but have stuck them firmly in the sand, claiming there has been no disruption to motorists.